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  • HSCwahoo618 said...

    I'm blaming this one on JO. I saw that tweet.

    The "board posters union" will give Jamie a pass on this one. He is not behind these rumors...

    raleighoo

  • Is there anything new? I thought unc had an invite for a while

    kezki

  • I really think it's too early to pull the rip cord on anything - including how our baseball fortunes will go. BOC has built something really special - don't sell him short that he'd leave a place I'm sure he is very happy at just for a few extra dollars. Plus UVA has shown it is willing to pay for coaches (unless I'm missing something). These things have a way of settling themselves out. Either way, if we stay or go UVA is a school and a brand in very high demand. Don't believe anything else you hear - because it just ain't so. I truly believe we'll be fine no matter how realignment falls out. From what I'm hearing - both the B1G and SEC want UVA.

    Stick87

  • Stick87 said...

    I truly believe we'll be fine no matter how realignment falls out. From what I'm hearing - both the B1G and SEC want UVA.

    Honestly, I've got no doubt in my mind that UVA will land on its feet somewhere if the worst happens. I think most would agree..... only a few wackjobs like that one nutcase on the Sabre are in the camp that thinks UVA is doomed to CUSA-like obscurity. Let's face it, Jim Delany is power-greedy and even if the Big Ten sits at 16 teams and UVA isn't one of them, if we come knocking on their door he won't turn aside the chance to boost his power base and the B1G presidents won't turn aside the chance to associate with a school like ours.

    Thing is, I don't want any part of the B1G or SEC. Carolina reffing aside, the only place I want to see UVA is a strong ACC. (And people who want to go to the B1G to get away from ACC refs really, really ought to remember some old phrases about babies and bathwater, the greenness of the grass, and so on.)

    MaizeBlueWahoo80910

  • MaizeBlueWahoo80910 said...

    Honestly, I've got no doubt in my mind that UVA will land on its feet somewhere if the worst happens. I think most would agree..... only a few wackjobs like that one nutcase on the Sabre are in the camp that thinks UVA is doomed to CUSA-like obscurity. Let's face it, Jim Delany is power-greedy and even if the Big Ten sits at 16 teams and UVA isn't one of them, if we come knocking on their door he won't turn aside the chance to boost his power base and the B1G presidents won't turn aside the chance to associate with a school like ours.

    Thing is, I don't want any part of the B1G or SEC. Carolina reffing aside, the only place I want to see UVA is a strong ACC. (And people who want to go to the B1G to get away from ACC refs really, really ought to remember some old phrases about babies and bathwater, the greenness of the grass, and so on.)

    Amen bro, I will be pretty bummed if we leave the ACC. How am I gonna get fired up for a Tuesday night battle at Iowa after 20 plus years of sweating out ACC bangers?

    RMCHoo

  • MaizeBlueWahoo80910 said...
    the only place I want to see UVA is a strong ACC.

    That sounds good. When can we join this "strong ACC"? Do we have an invite?

    Automator

  • Automator said...

    That sounds good. When can we join this "strong ACC"? Do we have an invite?

    Hardy har. With a tie-in to the Orange Bowl (and thus a seat at the new BCS table) and reinforcements on the way, not to mention losing one of the conference's biggest resource drains, I'm happy with the state of the ACC, if it holds.

    And if nobody's realized it, all these supposed rumors that UNC and UVA are the schools that the B1G wants mean that we hold as many of the keys to the conference's future as the FSUs and Clemsons. Hopefully the admin realizes it.

    This post was edited by MaizeBlueWahoo80910 on 2/20/2013 at 12:27 PM

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  • MaizeBlueWahoo80910 said...

    Hardy har. With a tie-in to the Orange Bowl (and thus a seat at the new BCS table) and reinforcements on the way, not to mention losing one of the conference's biggest resource drains, I'm happy with the state of the ACC, if it holds.

    I'm not sure how Maryland is a resource drain on the conference. Their location brought value to ACC games from a TV perspective, since their fanbase is centered in one of the larger TV markets. Losing the tie to DC/Baltimore and adding Louisville is a net loss. Louisville may be pouring money into their athletic programs (which UMD was doing several years ago, and it's what ran them into the financial rocks) but at the end of the day, they are still in a state dominated by their in-state SEC rival, and on the border of B1G country.

    The quality of athletic programs is pretty much an afterthought in all of this, other than from the standpoint of "Who is going to watch these games". If you traffic national college football sites, no one is saying that the addition of Cuse, Pitt and Louisville is going to turn ACC football into must-see TV.

    Maryland isn't the only school to have money problems in the ACC. Florida State has been cash strapped for years, especially with Doak-Walker beginning to fall apart - and their in-state SEC rival's athletic department so flush with cash that they are making donations to the school's general fund. GT is rumored to be in the red as well (I'm not sure how they funded the rebuilding of the Thrillerdome, but they definitely took a huge ticket revenue hit on basketball last year).

    At this point, the financial pecking order has been established, and the ACC is at best fourth in that order. I don't think the ACC has the means to offer a more attractive picture financially to schools that are being stressed by trying to compete with the athletic departments of their richer neighbors. I can't help but note that of all the reasons people offer to stay in the ACC, very few of those reasons actually help to pay any bills.

    Automator

  • Automator said...

    I'm not sure how Maryland is a resource drain on the conference. Their location brought value to ACC games from a TV perspective, since their fanbase is centered in one of the larger TV markets. Losing the tie to DC/Baltimore and adding Louisville is a net loss. Louisville may be pouring money into their athletic programs (which UMD was doing several years ago, and it's what ran them into the financial rocks) but at the end of the day, they are still in a state dominated by their in-state SEC rival, and on the border of B1G country.

    The quality of athletic programs is pretty much an afterthought in all of this, other than from the standpoint of "Who is going to watch these games". If you traffic national college football sites, no one is saying that the addition of Cuse, Pitt and Louisville is going to turn ACC football into must-see TV.

    Maryland isn't the only school to have money problems in the ACC. Florida State has been cash strapped for years, especially with Doak-Walker beginning to fall apart - and their in-state SEC rival's athletic department so flush with cash that they are making donations to the school's general fund. GT is rumored to be in the red as well (I'm not sure how they funded the rebuilding of the Thrillerdome, but they definitely took a huge ticket revenue hit on basketball last year).

    At this point, the financial pecking order has been established, and the ACC is at best fourth in that order. I don't think the ACC has the means to offer a more attractive picture financially to schools that are being stressed by trying to compete with the athletic departments of their richer neighbors. I can't help but note that of all the reasons people offer to stay in the ACC, very few of those reasons actually help to pay any bills.

    But we'll be able to keep the baseball program elite!!! cool

    At least until the competitive disadvantage of less conference TV money, driven by football, relegates more UVA sports to permanent second-tier status. It will happen. It may not happen fast or overnight, but our movement towards second-tier status will be inexorable.

    KaHOOnah ●

  • MaizeBlueWahoo80910 said...

    Honestly, I've got no doubt in my mind that UVA will land on its feet somewhere if the worst happens. I think most would agree..... only a few wackjobs like that one nutcase on the Sabre are in the camp that thinks UVA is doomed to CUSA-like obscurity. Let's face it, Jim Delany is power-greedy and even if the Big Ten sits at 16 teams and UVA isn't one of them, if we come knocking on their door he won't turn aside the chance to boost his power base and the B1G presidents won't turn aside the chance to associate with a school like ours.

    Thing is, I don't want any part of the B1G or SEC. Carolina reffing aside, the only place I want to see UVA is a strong ACC. (And people who want to go to the B1G to get away from ACC refs really, really ought to remember some old phrases about babies and bathwater, the greenness of the grass, and so on.)

    Damn good post. +1 sir.

    premierbookdealers

  • Another good one, you're heating up. +1

    premierbookdealers

  • Automator said...

    I'm not sure how Maryland is a resource drain on the conference. Their location brought value to ACC games from a TV perspective, since their fanbase is centered in one of the larger TV markets. Losing the tie to DC/Baltimore and adding Louisville is a net loss. Louisville may be pouring money into their athletic programs (which UMD was doing several years ago, and it's what ran them into the financial rocks) but at the end of the day, they are still in a state dominated by their in-state SEC rival, and on the border of B1G country.

    The quality of athletic programs is pretty much an afterthought in all of this, other than from the standpoint of "Who is going to watch these games". If you traffic national college football sites, no one is saying that the addition of Cuse, Pitt and Louisville is going to turn ACC football into must-see TV.

    Maryland isn't the only school to have money problems in the ACC. Florida State has been cash strapped for years, especially with Doak-Walker beginning to fall apart - and their in-state SEC rival's athletic department so flush with cash that they are making donations to the school's general fund. GT is rumored to be in the red as well (I'm not sure how they funded the rebuilding of the Thrillerdome, but they definitely took a huge ticket revenue hit on basketball last year).

    At this point, the financial pecking order has been established, and the ACC is at best fourth in that order. I don't think the ACC has the means to offer a more attractive picture financially to schools that are being stressed by trying to compete with the athletic departments of their richer neighbors. I can't help but note that of all the reasons people offer to stay in the ACC, very few of those reasons actually help to pay any bills.

    Very well said. I just think too many fans are so locked into this idyllic view of conference membership they can't see the forest for the trees. The B1G and SEC money machines will over time suffocate the ACC and eventually de-stabilize the conference. It is really simply math. Maryland was in a more desperate situation early, but as you correctly stated, there are a number of schools walking down the same path as the Turtles. There is NO WAY FSU can remain U of Florida's competitive equal in football with what they will earn over the next decade in the ACC. GT will face the same issue with Georgia. UVA has been a bit insulated because we're generating a non-athletic revenue stream from JPJ. But in time, the disparity in conference revenue will place UVA in a difficult competitive position, especially attempting to field a full menu of top programs in a wide variety of sports.

    Mikeysurf

  • I've posted this link before, but it's worth reading again (and again, and again).

    The key to EVERYTHING for us and for the ACC is to build and then maintain a high quality of product. This TV money will work itself out. My bet is that these cable networks crumble as the cable model succumbs to the a-la-carte system of online television, the wave of the future that is frankly already arriving - and quickly.

    Furthermore, I have realized that I freaking hate the BigTen, and would rather see UVA be the big fish in the little pond in a bombed-out ACC, or in the Sun Belt or C*USA, than trying to convince fans to give a crap about the football matchup against Minnesota. I know the money would be sweet, but I'm just not convinced that the cash flow from the BTN is a stable and reliable long-term revenue generator, nor am I convinced that the BigTen (in its footprint of eroding population densities and rust belt roots) is the conference we should be riding with right now. Plus, what difference does more money make when all of our conference foes are huge land grant Universities getting the same enormous windfall? We'll never compete with that. Not realistically.

    Anyway, I'm a bit of a REALIGNMAGEDDON geek, but I hate the idea of UVA to the B1G. And I think the whole entire concept of a crumbling ACC is all a bit of a short-sighted overreaction.

    Click the link. Read the piece.

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  • Mikeysurf said...

    Very well said. I just think too many fans are so locked into this idyllic view of conference membership they can't see the forest for the trees. The B1G and SEC money machines will over time suffocate the ACC and eventually de-stabilize the conference. It is really simply math. Maryland was in a more desperate situation early, but as you correctly stated, there are a number of schools walking down the same path as the Turtles. There is NO WAY FSU can remain U of Florida's competitive equal in football with what they will earn over the next decade in the ACC. GT will face the same issue with Georgia. UVA has been a bit insulated because we're generating a non-athletic revenue stream from JPJ. But in time, the disparity in conference revenue will place UVA in a difficult competitive position, especially attempting to field a full menu of top programs in a wide variety of sports.

    It is shortsighted to assume the current model and balance of power will be around for the long run. Ten years ago the SEC had won two national titles in the previous 20+ years and nobody was calling them a powerhouse any more than any other conference. Here is the truth: Pick any year in college football history and use that year's paradigm to project the state of college football 10 years later. You would be wrong in any era. So too is it wrong to assume that the Big Ten and SEC have discovered a golden goose that will never stop laying eggs.

    I know you're well connected, Mikey, but when I've seen you lay down your revenue projections you always seem to use the most pessimistic ones available for the ACC and the most optimistic ones available for the SEC/B1G. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just get that impression. Even assuming you're completely right and it's all about money money money and we don't get enough here in the ACC - it's extremely important to keep in mind that we have a cash flow advantage relative to our conference brethren. We would go from the top to the bottom if we moved to the B1G. And since money is what it takes to compete, and we would have less of it than the other teams in the B1G, how do you plan to compete nationally if you can't compete in your conference?

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