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La Hoo said...
The point is that the heart of UVa, and any University is it's faculty. The ideas UVa students are exposed are not static things but are developed by the talented academics who work at UVa. These academics often are the top folks in their fields, but UVa rarely pays as well as other elite Universities. Therefore, there are real opportunity costs for many UVa faculty to work there. However, many do so because of the ideals, such as truth, honor, and meritocracy, that UVa purports to represent. This resignation statement, to me, is a powerful indictment of the utter loss of faith that one couple of eminent scientists, with myriad high level job experiences and unlimited job prospects, has had in a system being poorly run by a board of hacks. To me, this is not a tantrum, but a powerful statement that if UVa is to be run in this manner, or allowed to be, then it's time to move on.
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La Hoo said...
Perhaps you should read Sullivan's speech to the BOV, or re-read if you already have. Universities should NOT respond to whims of the market place; they are no place for fads. Sure, universities should adapt, but the strength of UVa is the liberal education students receive, including those in the e-school or ones that end up going Comm. There should be places where German scholars exist, and that is in great universities such as UVa. Sullivan indicated Chinese language initiatives in her speech to the BOV, but initiating such initiatives should not come at the cost of other departments in the College. And any pro-entrepreneurial university governance folks can pound dirt as far as I'm concerned.
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Hoos Inc. said...
Perhaps you should read my post. A reversal of a five hundred year historic trend in global wealth allocation is not a whim of the marketplace or a fad. It is a major, historic, inevitable, and obvious trend that is taking place. The demand for engineers of all kind is also not a fad or a whim....as these emerging markets have more wealth, their demand for better lives and infrastructure is going to drive global investment and the global economy. The hard sciences will be in very, very, very high demand. Either the University of Virginia is at the forefront of preparing its graduates for that reality, or it isn't. If UVA wants its students to study German or Italian so they can go see the remnants of a great civilization and economy in Europe and speak and think fluently and knowledgably about it, that's great. If UVA wants its students in Singapore and Hong Kong and Sao Paulo on the cutting edge of building new economies that are going to dominate the world market, they can do that too. But there might be a choice....you might not be able to afford both.
Again, this is not an endorsement of the firing of Sullivan. That may or may not have been the right decision, and it was certainly handled in the wrong way. I'm talking strictly about the directions of departmental offerings at the University.
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tmeaxtats said...
What exactly is the point he's making in that e-mail that wasn't already clear? We all know the BOV f-ed this whole thing up beyond repair, he didn't need to issue a public e-mail resignation to make that clear. Does he really think he's punishing the BOV members by not teaching his class this fall and urging his peers to do the same? Seems to me the students, including those gathering in support of Dr. Sullivan, will take the brunt of that punishment by not being able to be educated by the most qualified professors possible... especially given the school year starts in 2 months.
Just thought it was a little excessive for someone of his stature to do so in the "screw you" manner he did without consideration as to the unintended consequences of his actions.
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Hoos Inc. said...
Perhaps you should read my post. A reversal of a five hundred year historic trend in global wealth allocation is not a whim of the marketplace or a fad. It is a major, historic, inevitable, and obvious trend that is taking place. The demand for engineers of all kind is also not a fad or a whim....as these emerging markets have more wealth, their demand for better lives and infrastructure is going to drive global investment and the global economy. The hard sciences will be in very, very, very high demand. Either the University of Virginia is at the forefront of preparing its graduates for that reality, or it isn't. If UVA wants its students to study German or Italian so they can go see the remnants of a great civilization and economy in Europe and speak and think fluently and knowledgably about it, that's great. If UVA wants its students in Singapore and Hong Kong and Sao Paulo on the cutting edge of building new economies that are going to dominate the world market, they can do that too. But there might be a choice....you might not be able to afford both.
Again, this is not an endorsement of the firing of Sullivan. That may or may not have been the right decision, and it was certainly handled in the wrong way. I'm talking strictly about the directions of departmental offerings at the University.
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La Hoo said...
You make some cogent points; however, you appear to be implying that Universities are simply places to train the next generation's business leaders (global economy, global investment, emerging markets...), and that is simply one service provided by universities. Universities should not adopt business models; they aren't businesses. The Slate editorial below makes great points along those lines so I won't reinvent the wheel here.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/hey_wait_a_minute/2012/06/teresa_sullivan_fired_from_uva_what_happens_when_universities_are_run_by_robber_barons_.single.html
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Maize&BlueWahoo said...
I can't defend everything about Bill Wulf's actions. I got a little uncomfortable myself when he started listing his achievements, it seemed very self-serving. But the fact is that this is a BOV out of control. Only Heywood Fralin, and perhaps Messrs. Hardie and Caputo, seemed to grasp the seriousness of the board's actions. It's absolutely plain they "heard" the faculty's statement of no confidence and just didn't care. Apparently it finally dawned on Mark Kington today.
But this is the sort of thing it will take. Will it hurt the students? Perhaps. But as resignations go, Wulf's is ideal and is probably beneficial in the long run if it fired a large enough shot across the bow. He's in his 70s and was like three-quarters retired anyway. He's highly respected and has a list of distinguishments as long as your arm. And because he taught like one class, the actual effect of his departure is minimal, but the symbolic effect is enormous.
There are consequences, sure, and his resignation email was certainly much more brusque than the polished tone we're used to seeing out of academia. But that is the kind of thing it's going to take for the BOV to realize just how distrusted they are. It's very easy to ignore most of the other things. It's not so easy when you've pegged faculty retention as a concern in regards to President Sullivan's performance and suddenly your own actions damage faculty retention in a very public way. It's a good test of their sincerity; if they really mean what they're saying, and I think on some level they do, they can't ignore a thing like this the way they can easily ignore a few cardboard signs at a protest.
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