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  • Mr. E. Recruit said...

    He doesn't "use" religion as a recruiting tactic. His faith is a big part of the man, just like TB. I give your post a 1 on the trolling scale, 1 being the weakest and most obvious. And you may find this hard to believe, but a lot of people believe in God in one form or another. Mr. E. spoke to God on a number of occasions during the final quarter of the FSU game. And during the VPI game, Mr. E used several words with religious connotations. For example; holy sh*t, Jesus, God ******.

    Mr E, thanks for representing the Hoos on the PoopScoop website the other day. It was very entertaining. You had several of those Hokies chasing their tails. Sad that they don't respect any athletes unless they play football.

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  • As a non-Christian, I would have no problem reciting this prayer. In fact, I would welcome it. It's quite lovely.

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  • blacksburghoo said...

    Mr E, thanks for representing the Hoos on the PoopScoop website the other day. It was very entertaining. You had several of those Hokies chasing their tails. Sad that they don't respect any athletes unless they play football.

    Thanks. I did my best to educate them, but some men you just can't reach. I did get a very nice invitation to visit Alaska to do manly things though. Unfortunately, it will be my only appearance, as I am no longer allowed to post on their site. Apparently, if you have an IQ above 80 and are able to use you're and your correctly, you can't post on their site.

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  • I think everyone is jumping on the OP a little much. Raised throughout my life as a Christian, I view this topic with mixed feelings. Before and after a game, it is quite universal to call upon a higher power to protect the players (before the game) and thank that power (after the game). However, we in the modern USA do have an expected degree of church/state separation, and obviously many here would question a professor leading an econ class in prayer before an exam. Similarly, what if the pre- or post- game prayer was Buddhist, or Muslim, or Jewish? How would that feel? Therefore, as a thinking follower of Christ who appreciates tolerance, I think it is healthy for the OP to bring this up for discussion.

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  • Ask Oday Aboushi how he feels about it.

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  • ruwithmedrhoo said...

    I think everyone is jumping on the OP a little much. Raised throughout my life as a Christian, I view this topic with mixed feelings. Before and after a game, it is quite universal to call upon a higher power to protect the players (before the game) and thank that power (after the game). However, we in the modern USA do have an expected degree of church/state separation, and obviously many here would question a professor leading an econ class in prayer before an exam. Similarly, what if the pre- or post- game prayer was Buddhist, or Muslim, or Jewish? How would that feel? Therefore, as a thinking follower of Christ who appreciates tolerance, I think it is healthy for the OP to bring this up for discussion.

    That's how I feel. But somehow, I'm viewed as a troll for expressing this...

    If some of you recall, Thomas Jefferson was one of the first proponents of a separation of church and state. That notion eventually made its way into the First Amendment. In my opinion, from watching this video, religion is being incorporated. I'm not trying to criticize London, I'm just saying this may be viewed the wrong way, especially by people who are looking for bad things to say about London (ie. Hokies).

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  • ruwithmedrhoo said...

    I think everyone is jumping on the OP a little much. Raised throughout my life as a Christian, I view this topic with mixed feelings. Before and after a game, it is quite universal to call upon a higher power to protect the players (before the game) and thank that power (after the game). However, we in the modern USA do have an expected degree of church/state separation, and obviously many here would question a professor leading an econ class in prayer before an exam. Similarly, what if the pre- or post- game prayer was Buddhist, or Muslim, or Jewish? How would that feel? Therefore, as a thinking follower of Christ who appreciates tolerance, I think it is healthy for the OP to bring this up for discussion.

    There's also almost no chance of getting hurt during an econ class. If I was an athlete, and my coach felt a prayer, regardless of religion, would protect me, I'd be all for it. If my coach was trying to convert me, then I'd have a problem. What CML is doing here, IMO, is harmless and shows to me he truly cares about his players.

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  • Mr. E. Recruit said...

    Thanks. I did my best to educate them, but some men you just can't reach. I did get a very nice invitation to visit Alaska to do manly things though. Unfortunately, it will be my only appearance, as I am no longer allowed to post on their site. Apparently, if you have an IQ above 80 and are able to use you're and your correctly, you can't post on their site.

    IQ of 80. You give them too much credit.

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  • bbb989 said...

    I think it's no secret that London uses religion as a way to connect with recruits that have similar religious beliefs as he does. However, after watching a video in which the team recites The Lord's Prayer before a game, it seems as though religion is commonly preached to the players. I'm fine with him using religion as a way to reach out to recruits who are also religious, but in my opinion, this seems as if he's forcing religion upon the team. Maybe I'm overrreacting...

    Thoughts?

    Having some religion is a good thing, maybe you should try some. It can’t hurt right.

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  • Hooskeesee said...

    Having some religion is a good thing, maybe you should try some. It can’t hurt right.

    I'm not saying I'm not religious. I'm simply playing devil's advocate and trying to look at this from a 3rd party perspective.

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  • bbb989 said...

    I think it's no secret that London uses religion as a way to connect with recruits that have similar religious beliefs as he does. However, after watching a video in which the team recites The Lord's Prayer before a game, it seems as though religion is commonly preached to the players. I'm fine with him using religion as a way to reach out to recruits who are also religious, but in my opinion, this seems as if he's forcing religion upon the team. Maybe I'm overrreacting...

    Thoughts?

    Really , you want to start this ?? What are you trying to start here, why would you even want to start a thread like this ???? Gimme a break, much more that I could say, but I have learned from the past that some things are just better left unsaid.Yes I downvoted you, and yes, all of my coaches had the same policy.

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  • bbb989 said...

    I'm not complaining, I'm just sharing something that concerned me..

    lol... why are you concerned? Only at UVa. Never ceases to amaze me.

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  • I have always done the lords prayer before a game since 8thI grade. Every coach did it, if you didn't wish to do it you didn't. It was never forced on anyone.

    I feel you may be overreacting a little.

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  • Ryan091 said...

    I also don't think its legal for London (or anyone at a school) to force prayer on people. Private schools based around religion such as BC or Notre Dame might have different rules, but I'm not 100% sure about that.

    I found this that explains it a little.

    "Organized prayer in the public school setting, whether in the classroom or at a school-sponsored event, is unconstitutional. The only type of prayer that is constitutionally permissible is private, voluntary student prayer that does not interfere with the school's educational mission."

    There's no way the school would stand for it if London was forcing kids to pray.

    Can someone who down voted this explain why they did? I don't care about the votes themselves, just curious where the disagreement is with my post since no one actually responded to it.

    This post was edited by Ryan091 on 5/6/2012 at 9:31 PM

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  • bbb989 said...

    I think it's no secret that London uses religion as a way to connect with recruits that have similar religious beliefs as he does. However, after watching a video in which the team recites The Lord's Prayer before a game, it seems as though religion is commonly preached to the players. I'm fine with him using religion as a way to reach out to recruits who are also religious, but in my opinion, this seems as if he's forcing religion upon the team. Maybe I'm overrreacting...

    Thoughts?

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  • bbb989 said...

    I think it's no secret that London uses religion as a way to connect with recruits that have similar religious beliefs as he does. However, after watching a video in which the team recites The Lord's Prayer before a game, it seems as though religion is commonly preached to the players. I'm fine with him using religion as a way to reach out to recruits who are also religious, but in my opinion, this seems as if he's forcing religion upon the team. Maybe I'm overrreacting...

    Thoughts?

    I was raised Southern Baptist and when I was living as a born again believer few things riled me up like people wanting to stop prayer in public places simply to be PC or whatever.

    Now I'm no longer a theist, and there's a little part of me that isn't fully rational that cringes when I see the entire team being led in the Lord's prayer, so I understand your concern on this.

    That said, I will say this: Mike London has no obligation to hide his faith to make sure everyone on the team is comfortable. In fact I would hate to be a part of a team where my coach or my fellow players weren't free to be true to their convictions, nor would I want to fight in the trenches next to guys who didn't have the courage to express the truth as they understand it.

    If someone is of another mindset, they can prepare in their own way and just hold their brothers' hand and respect their faith. If Oday Aboushi wants to do another prayer, no one on the team is gonna say boo to him, and I doubt Oday would say London has made him or any others on the team who aren't Christians feel unwelcome in any way.

    Ultimately the responsibility for expressing convictions falls on each individual. If someone isn't a believer they have as much a right to stand up and say it as Mike or a player does to proclaim Jesus their Lord and Savior... and I hope our team is made of guys willing to have that kind of integrity. I just think those on the team who are brothers in Christ make up a majority, and that's likely to be the case as London will be attractive to recruits who are seeking a coach who will also be a sound Christian mentor. And I'm 100% cool with that, as a nonbeliever.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Hoos Inc151214 on 5/6/2012 at 10:31 PM

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  • bbb989 said...

    I think it's no secret that London uses religion as a way to connect with recruits that have similar religious beliefs as he does. However, after watching a video in which the team recites The Lord's Prayer before a game, it seems as though religion is commonly preached to the players. I'm fine with him using religion as a way to reach out to recruits who are also religious, but in my opinion, this seems as if he's forcing religion upon the team. Maybe I'm overrreacting...

    Thoughts?

    Ask Oday Aboushi. I did. I sensed how it could be viewed by him, a Muslim, and cringed at the response. Oday smiled and said the expression of faith by an individual or group fashion was what made Virginia special. Oday would have declared for the draft and departed for the next level if this was an issue.

    Jay_Jenkins

  • Jay_Jenkins said...

    Ask Oday Aboushi. I did. I sensed how it could be viewed by him, a Muslim, and cringed at the response. Oday smiled and said the expression of faith by an individual or group fashion was what made Virginia special. Oday would have declared for the draft and departed for the next level if this was an issue.

    Well that addresses any doubt and concerns. Thanks, Jay!

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