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Virginia's Playcalling Against Georgia Tech

  • Congrats on the win, guys. Good, competitive football game.

    What did you think of Virginia's playcalling?

    Was sitting in a chatroom with a bunch of GT fans during the game and no one could figure out why the Virginia offensive coordinator kept insisting on passing the ball. GT couldn't stop UVA running between the tackles. Didn't stop UVA's run the whole game. The only time GT got stops was when UVA inexplicably decided to pass, including the 7-point interception gift.

    We just couldn't understand why UVA kept throwing the ball. Did you folks see it that way too or were we missing something?

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  • On the 4th down and one, I couldn't figure out why we passed the ball, plus while we were running the clock out, second and two and we passed again, those were the only two plays that had me scratching my head.

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  • Thanks for stopping in and for the kind words.

    Most of the fans around me felt the same. especially late in the game. I'm guessing that Lazor felt he needed to call some passes to keep the defense honest. After living with that D for so long I felt pretty confident that we could move the ball with consistency as long as we didn't make mistakes.

  • The first three series of the second half were infuriating for the reasons you cited:

    Series 1: great KO return, big first play on a run to Jones, then two passing plays that went backwayrds on two penalties

    Series 2: 2nd and 2 at the GT 40. I don't mind the kill shot attempt for Smith in the endzone, but then run the ball twice to get the first down. But another failed pass attempt and punt.

    Series 3: the infamouns fourth and 1 where we have the wrong QB running the wrong play - a 15 yard out.

    I noticed last year that Lazor seems to always try to be very unpredictable. Everybody can see the value in that but I think it is possible this year that against a lot of teams, we don not need to be upredictable. Simply because due to our OL and RBs, we will be able to exert our will over a lot os opponents on the schedule, regardless of whether they know what we will be doing or not.

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  • nyhoo said... (original post)

    The first three series of the second half were infuriating for the reasons you cited:

    Series 1: great KO return, big first play on a run to Jones, then two passing plays that went backwayrds on two penalties

    Series 2: 2nd and 2 at the GT 40. I don't mind the kill shot attempt for Smith in the endzone, but then run the ball twice to get the first down. But another failed pass attempt and punt.

    Series 3: the infamouns fourth and 1 where we have the wrong QB running the wrong play - a 15 yard out.

    I noticed last year that Lazor seems to always try to be very unpredictable. Everybody can see the value in that but I think it is possible this year that against a lot of teams, we don not need to be upredictable. Simply because due to our OL and RBs, we will be able to exert our will over a lot os opponents on the schedule, regardless of whether they know what we will be doing or not.

    Thanks to Highlander and Play for the responses.

    Yep, you saw the same things we did.

    Series 1: GT didn't make 1 play to stop a run after getting shoved around the whole first half. Then UVA has a big run and then passes so GT never stops the run.

    Series: 2: Yep, two yards to make and GT hasn't stopped your run all day and another pass instead of a run.

    Series 3: Another pass on a short yardage play, GT STILL hasn't stopped UVA's run.

    Really poor playing calling by Lazor in our opinions as UVA was running it right down Tech's throats and never forced GT to stop the run. GT never stopped UVA on the ground the whole game when forced to do so.

    Good point that Lazor was trying to be unpredictable. That is what it seemed like. But your offensive line was blowing GT off the ball and your backs were running hard and GT NEVER stopped your run on a possession down the whole game. And quite frankly your QBs are average at best so until the other team stops the run keep pounding. Lazor almost out-thought himself into a loss.

    If anybody asked London about it in the post game presser or if he's asked about it this week I'd be interested to hear what he says.

    Bottom line, you guys won the game. Congrats again.

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  • Attempt to be balanced, that generally helps the run game but as you said GT was manhandled by Grohs old O line all day, really was a game where we maybe could have run even more, lol, we only had like 16 passes total right?

  • Jim Hart said... (original post)

    Congrats on the win, guys. Good, competitive football game.

    What did you think of Virginia's playcalling?

    Was sitting in a chatroom with a bunch of GT fans during the game and no one could figure out why the Virginia offensive coordinator kept insisting on passing the ball. GT couldn't stop UVA running between the tackles. Didn't stop UVA's run the whole game. The only time GT got stops was when UVA inexplicably decided to pass, including the 7-point interception gift.

    We just couldn't understand why UVA kept throwing the ball. Did you folks see it that way too or were we missing something?

    Great topic....

    One small point, at the end of the 1st Quarter it was 3rd and 2...we had been blowing them off of the line and then (from the Play by Play):

    3rd and 2 at GT 14 Kevin Parks rush for a loss of 1 yard to the GTech 15.

    One of Lazor's MAJOR strengths is that tries to maintain balance.

    There were two observations from the broadcast:
    1) Dan Hawkins (the announcer) talked about how the pre-snap shifting allowed UVa to become unbalanced (in a good way) and that The Pilot was never able to adjust.
    2) Lazor had talked about how he felt he was too conservative in the play calling in the game last year, hence a 4th and 1 that (if it had been completed) there was no safety help and could have been a scoring play.

  • Jim Hart said... (original post)

    Thanks to Highlander and Play for the responses.

    Yep, you saw the same things we did.

    Series 1: GT didn't make 1 play to stop a run after getting shoved around the whole first half. Then UVA has a big run and then passes so GT never stops the run.

    Series: 2: Yep, two yards to make and GT hasn't stopped your run all day and another pass instead of a run.

    Series 3: Another pass on a short yardage play, GT STILL hasn't stopped UVA's run.

    Really poor playing calling by Lazor in our opinions as UVA was running it right down Tech's throats and never forced GT to stop the run. GT never stopped UVA on the ground the whole game when forced to do so.

    Good point that Lazor was trying to be unpredictable. That is what it seemed like. But your offensive line was blowing GT off the ball and your backs were running hard and GT NEVER stopped your run on a possession down the whole game. And quite frankly your QBs are average at best so until the other team stops the run keep pounding. Lazor almost out-thought himself into a loss.

    If anybody asked London about it in the post game presser or if he's asked about it this week I'd be interested to hear what he says.

    Bottom line, you guys won the game. Congrats again.

    Our QBs have a lot of work to do to get up to "average."

    We knew that was going to be the case this season, and it may be next season as well. I think the running game is going to have to carry us to whatever success we'll have this season.

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  • I hated the 2nd and 2 call the most. Get the 1st down then throw it. I don't have a problem throwing the ball some but throw it out of play action. Why when you are running wild are you going to move out of a running formation into a 4 or 5 wide set? The TD to Smith was a thing of beauty and it was a play action play. I kept wanting to see a fake into the line and hit a TE in seam over the middle.

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  • Considering none of us REALLY know what we are talking about, i think the play calling was quite good. Yes, there were maybe 2 plays that didnt work, but they were poorly executed and were probably the right call given the circumstances. That is why we are fans and they are coaches.

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  • HPTWAHOO said... (original post)

    Considering none of us REALLY know what we are talking about, i think the play calling was quite good. Yes, there were maybe 2 plays that didnt work, but they were poorly executed and were probably the right call given the circumstances. That is why we are fans and they are coaches.

    That is right on point! The coaches aren't just randomly calling plays like we do on the XBox, they have a plan based on what they've seen on film and during the game are calling plays they believe will work. All we see is the aftermath, not the reasoning for the call. Good execution by talent makes coaches look like geniuses. Poor execution and lack of talent makes coaches look like idiots. Of course, the coaches are responsible for assembling talent and teaching execution, but that's something that takes time.

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