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Back in the tourney with the win tonight...atleast we wont be the only Virginia team in the tourney.
Drexel is bubble team, since we beat them it should help
Went to the game tonight. Very exciting game. My 8 year old nephew wanted to run out on the court after the win, I have to admit it was fun. UVA vs. VCU would be a fascinating match up and contrast in styles in the NCAA.
i hope we will play VCU. Would be hilarious when we hold them into the low 50's and crush them....just like the rest of the CAA teams we played this year.
The 'Hoos want no part of a team that presses full-court -- and does it well -- for 40 minutes.
Yeah...but its not an ACC press. Its a CAA press.
I agree, they would hound us into turnover after turnover. I just cant see Bub and SZ being that much better than their guards. We do not play well when the other team speeds us up with man to man, trapping pressure D.
Oh ye of little faith. Sure its a matchup concern but who's to say we wouldn't slow and wear them down? It could go the other way as well. I'd like to see it in the second round.
I think we'd win more often than not this year b/c of Mike Scott but I think our guards would have problems handling the ball. Their guards are just as athletic if not more and would create problems for us IMO. Smart would have them ready to go as he would play the giant killer CAA vs ACC thing to the fullest and they would come out and go extremely hard. Just b/c we whipped Drexel earlier this year doesnt mean squat against VCU in two weeks.
I think we win but it would be close and Scott would have to get 20+ and we'd have to make some 3s.....which is our recipe for success against any other opponent.
If the game is ref'd in a style that lets more physical play go uncalled, our chances of winning go down IMO.
This post was edited by Coreyt14 2 years ago
someones been taking debate tips from caulton tudor...
Oh please. I would have rather you cursed at me, honestly. I'm merely looking at fact. We haven't lost to a upper tier ACC team by more than single digits but once this season. VCU doesn't scare me at all just look at their OOC schedule and look at the CAA by numbers this year as pointed out by HooPerk.
ACC went 7-0 vs. the CAA this season. Those results (with the teams' conference rankings) are listed below:
#4 UVA over #1 Drexel 49-35
#11 GT over #2 VCU 73-60
#4 UVA over #3 George Mason 68-48
#5 NCS over #7 Northeastern 88-59
#8 UMD over #9 UNC-Wilmington 71-62
#10 WF over #9 UNC-Wilmington 87-78
#4 UVA over #12 Towson 57-50
VCU's OOC wins are St. Francis, Western Kentucky (twice!), South Florida, George Washington, Richmond, UAB, Akron, UNC Greensboro, and Northern Illinois.
The refs sure let them play last night. And, I mean both teams. I saw some absolute maulings going on, and was shocked there wasn't a whistle. I think that helped VCU more because they were very grabby with their press, and in their half court Defense. I only watched the 1st half, and thought how is that not a foul (for and against) both teams.
Not to mention they were at home, that had a factor too.
You're underselling us by saying they're more athletic to me. Agree to disagree. Keep in mind when they made that run last year, their 3 point average went up by 9%. I don't see that happing again and I think we'd be just as up to play them as they would us with the talk this year.
You're right I am hedging against our guards performance by using the athleticism disadvantage I perceive. But I dont know if it's an inaccurate perception due to the Miami ACCT game last year and the FSU game this year. Those teams had better "athletes" than us and when they went all out on D, full court trap we wilted embarassingly fast. Bub is a great athlete IMO but he's less skilled with the ball, when you speed him up you get turnovers.
VCU's guards may not be the athletes that Miami/FSU's are but they would still bother us and they'd do it for 40 mins......we would have to be very effecient on O when we did get set up and MIke Scott would help in that regard.
The 9% 3 pt avg increase has nothing to due with my argument b/c I'm not saying VCU will have another deep run. I'm strictly talking about the matchup of UVa - VCU in two weeks with the current rosters and I think it's a bit naive to think our guards would be unaffected against their pressure and we'd win going away.
But honestly Kraken I hope we get to see the matchup and you have the right POV and we win by double digits.
I dont remember VCU playing the havoc/40 mins of hell in years past. Did they press full court during their tourney run last year? I know they play intense D but last night was ratcheted up from what I remember last year.
I'm not saying that we'd win going away. I apologize if that's the impression that I'm making. I would be much more confident with the match up than it appears some are. As far as the press, you have to remember that FSU is in the top of the country in defensive statistics and does have that athletes that I fear. They are much longer, more athletic, etc. Do I think this would be an ideal match up for us? No. I'm merely stating that I wouldn't be up having a coffee at 6am the morning of because I couldn't sleep the night before the game.
They played helter skelter last year and shot a lot of 3's. Same scenario and they don't have Jamie Skeen or Joey Rodriguez this year. That is a huge subtraction if we're going to discuss their chances at making a run. Skeen was big and had inside/out game. Could get them points in the paint and extend the defense with his shooting ability outside as well.
Kraken, you're a good dude, have some legit points and you may be right. It would be entertaining and I hope we'd bust their tails. Maybe I am selling our guards short and I realize that. I've never had much faith in JE or SZ against pressure D. But you're right with the logic that a CAA backcourt should not be able to pressure an ACC backcourt into losing the game.
And with Mike Scott inside we'd have a huge advantage.
VCU isn't going deep again IMO , I agree with you that losing Skeen/Rodriguez are major blows and they didnt look overly skilled last night against Drexel (lots of missed shots, bad passes, blown lay-ups).
Wait is this the first debate I've ever won?! Haha, thanks for the kind remarks man. I'm just trying to rally the troops. We have to believe in this team. They've done some great things with 7-8 guys in the rotation lately. I hope Browman gets some more meaningful PT down the stretch for another body too...just saying.
I wouldnt call it a win, I was thinking more 'respectful draw'
You had some good points though and I thought it was worth acknowledging them. I enjoyed the convo and I hope like hell we can beat NC St and somehow beat Duke on a neutral floor. We at least have to win a ACCT game....the ACCT futility is getting downright embarassing.
Haha thanks man. I think we have a chance...Vegas does too. Makes me feel better.
Last night I envisioned our guards trying to fight through that VCU press.
It gave me stomach pains.
Let's just hope VCU is in another bracket. Next subject.
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