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Bryant Stith territory. I consider Stith to be the best player in UVA hoops history under 7'4" tall. Stith carried the team on his back at times, was a fine defender, passer, rebounder and very unselfish.
Harris seems to have taken responsibility for this team. He's had a string of 20+ point games and scored with excellent efficiency for a perimeter player. He is also a fine defender, passer, rebounder and unselfish.
While I don't think Harris was as good as Stith as a frosh or soph, I think he's in that ball park as a junior. His game has evolved so much it is amazing. 36 points against Duke isn't like 36 points against Dartmouth. That is a tremendous performance against a program that prides itself on defense.
I don't think it's hyperbole at all. It's definitely time for us to start considering where Joe ranks among the list of UVA greats, especially over the course of the last 15-20 years.
I'm still in a swirl of euphoria from last night, but I don't think I'd trade Joe for Mike Scott, Sean Singletary, Roger Mason, Travis Watson, or Curtis Staples right now. Getting into that '95 team that went to the Elite Eight... that's where my mind is right now. How does Joe stack up against key cogs on that that team? Junior Burrough?
Bryant Stith was a special, special player. Best UVA player I've ever seen (Ralph was before my time). But Joe has a chance to at least match Stith's stature.
Joe is only a junior. He has this coming postseason and then all of next season to define his ultimate legacy. But best player since the mid-90s I think is firmly in his sights.
In any case, I definitely see a jersey retirement in Joe's future.
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He might by the time it's all said and done, but there's a lot of work to be done by Joe. He must take a team deeper in the NCAA than a first round blowout (to a great UF team). The rest of this year and next year's especially will decide Joe's place in UVa history books.
I love the kid though, he's gotten a lot better that's for sure. That performance last night was in the all time conversation for sure. I would have loved for it to be in a game in the NCAA tourney.
Remember Harold Arseneaux?
Hell yeah, man. I loved that the Weber upset was over the Tarholes. One of my fondest NCAAT memories (and there are a LOT of them).
I think it is time to start that conversation. The only thing I would add is that I would rank Stith and Lamp as co-leaders in the best players in UVa history under 7-4. Love 'me both. Lamp was money with the game on the line.
Joe Harris is in a league of his own. I've said many times that he's consistently, if not always, the best player on the court.
His jersey and number will be in the rafters when his career at UVa is all said and done.
That was the best indiviual performance in the history of the JPJ.
Joe is now second in the acc in scoring by a fraction of a point...
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Averaging over 19 a game in league play.
I have to add Barry Parkhill to your list...
If his play continues to improve on the same arc over the last few games of the season, is anyone thinking he might take a look at the NBA draft?
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I have to say that I had the same feeling as Tony who said he didn't realize that joe had 36 till he looked at the stats. There were lots do put backs, easy looks and foul shots to get to 36. Unlike other games this season I didn't say to myself holy shit Joe's on fire. 36 is 36 but just an observation being at the game
Btw SS game against Duke ranks up there with Joe's performance last night.
this debate seems to be coming up a lot recently. I guess what is missing from most of the conversation is a discusison of what parameters being used. Or which should be used. All time Statistics? Personal Accolades (all conference etc.)? NCAA tourney births? ACC / NCAA tournament runs? Or just subjective opinion?
I guess a mixture of all of the above is the right answer. I do not see a scenario where there is a a coversation about who is better, Stith or Harris. Harris is playing for second place. And even for second, there is a lot of competition - just off the top off the top of my head five guys who belong in the conversation are Jeff Lamp, Junior Burrough, Harold Deane, Travis Watson, and Sean SIngletary. And that does not include guys like John Crotty, Richard Morgan, Reynolds, Staples, Alexander and Mason (who would be in the conversation if he had stayed for four years).
My guess is that Harris can claim the second spot (third after Ralph), but it will require a monster ending to his career. Just going through the parameters laid out above:
: Statistically just projecting from here, I do not think Harris will finish in the top 5 of any major statistical category
: Personal accolades wise, I think he is a cinch for first team all ACC this year, and a possible ACC POTY, which I don't think we have had since Ralph (maybe Stith made it his junior year). Barring injury, he wil be in the conversation for both next year as well.
: Harris will likely have taken us to three NCAA tournaments - he will rank high in this regard. No player has taken us to four since the mid 80's and in that list I think only Burrough went to three from his soph to senior year. That is a big one, imo.
: In terms of NCAA / ACC runs, that is likely the key to his legacy, imo, and that chapter has yet to be written. But all of the competition I mentioned ex Singletary and Watson score very high in this regard. Harris will need to make some noise to keep pace.
: Finally that brings us to the subjective part. Again, probably best to see how his career finishes out.
Which i guess is my answer to the original question: I don't think it is hyperbolic as much as it is premature. It could go either way and what happens from here will tell the tale.
This post was edited by nyhoo 13 months ago
Honest question: Right now, who in the country is better than Joe?
Oladipo? Burke? Who else?
If they exist I've yet to see them.
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