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Always seemed a bit harsh to get expelled for making one bad decision as a college student.
UVa students to vote on honor system changes
Posted: Feb 25, 2013 12:07 AM PST
Updated: Feb 25, 2013 12:07 AM PST
CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. (AP) - Students at the University of Virginia will vote this week on a proposed change to the school's honor system.
If approved, it would be the first major change to the system in years.
The Daily Progress (http://bit.ly/XP9TPh ) reports that the proposal would eliminate juries of random students. It also would give the accused an opportunity to confess and face a 1-year suspension instead of expulsion.
At least 10% of the students must vote. Sixty percent of the vote is required for the proposal to pass.
Voting begins Monday and continues through Thursday.
The honor system prohibits students from lying, cheating or stealing.
Information from: The Daily Progress, http://www.dailyprogress.com
Copyright 2013 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by PG Hoo 14 months ago
I hope they uphold single sanction, but I assume this proposal has support. I've seen a big change in students over the past 15-20 years and I'd fully expect this generation to look for an out that isn't expulsion. I wonder if they'll include that a warm glass of milk and some cookies should be provided once a student confesses to the offense to ease the (self-inflicted) pain?
I agree. I am not naive enough to believe that dishonorable behavior does not happen at UVa, but I very much like the fact that we set a very high bar for expectations while part of The University community. At 18 years of age you can sign a legally binding contract, you can serve your country ( you can't buy a beer, but that's another rant) and you should certainly have enough life experience and grounding to know not to lie, cheat, or steal. The single sanction is one of many things that set UVa apart from run-of-the-mill state universities. I hope they vote to keep it. I did when I was there.
Me too, I know it sucked sometimes when it's hurt our athletes, but I would vote to keep the system as it has been for years.
WAHOO 4 LIFE!!
fwiw I think the confession must come before the student is turned in, if I heard correctly. That makes it basically a moot point. I think the thrust of these proposed changes is the low conviction rate, which HC members blame on the "jury selection" process.
I never understood this aspect of our honor system setting us apart from other schools. How so exactly? Does anybody actually believe that cheating and stealing is less prevalent at UVa than other schools? I have no way of knowing, but I don't think so.
The honor code also applies to those who witness a violation and say nothing. They are also subject to expulsion. I think that is where the one year suspension should apply. Also it might be a little less intimidating to threaten to turn someone in if they only get a year suspension. That might increase the likelihood of more reported violations and hence a decrease in cheating. All that being said I am not convinced we should alter the HC as it seems to be working just fine.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Rumble 14 months ago
This has much less to do with getting rid of single sanction and much more with making the process more effective.
Single sanction for life!
I definitely think it is. I got my undergrad degree at UVA and my masters at UT. Was in the business programs at both places and both programs are comparable in ranking/prestige. Taking an exam in the Comm School usually involved the professor walking into the classroom, handing out the exams, writing his office number on the board, and saying "I'll be up in my office if you need meand will check back in a half hour." Taking an exam at Texas involved the professor handing out the exams, watching the students like a hawk, and employing 1-3 students/TAs to do the same.
I personally think the honor system being the way it is as it just instills a "cheating is not an option" mentality in the students that isn't present in most other student bodies. I like to consider myself as being an honest person and appreciate an atmosphere where that's assumed rather than not. I think the single-sanction honor system affords that at UVA.
I can honestly say I never witnessed an instance of cheating on an exam while at UVA. I do think the vast majority of students realize they have something special and don't want to screw it up. Grad school is another story and I've even turned in a "fellow student" (who I did not like at all which admittedly does make it a lot easier to do) for whipping out his phone and looking up the answers on a test. And this at a Jesuit school where you'd like to think the values preclude cheating.
That may be a good point with grad vs. undergrad. I can't recall ever seeing anyone cheat in either to be honest, but could certainly understand it potentially being more prevalent at a grad school level. I don't necesarily have a problem with the 1 year suspension rule on it's face. That's still a stiff penalty. The problem I, and I'm guessing most opposed to it, have is that it starts the Honor Code down a very slippery slope.
I guess what I meant to say was not really about grad school in general but just that my own experiences sort of mirrored yours. However now that you mention it there does seem to be much more of an entitlement mentality in grad school vs. undergrad. There are lots of other differences between my undergrad experience and grad experience that could account for what I'm seeing, but it seems to me that despite UVA's "silver spoon" reputation, students there had no problem putting in the necessary work. Whereas it's amazing how many grad students - supposedly adults - whine to the professor about the curve, the homework, the amount of time available for the exam, the reading. Thus you get an "I don't have time for this" mentality. Duh, it's supposed to be hard and kind of a sacrifice.
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