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Bowl Travel Reputations Aren't Always Based on Fact

  • I did a little research this afternoon and came up with the following ticket sales information (as of yesterday) for the ACC schools going to bowls this year. Of course some (maybe a lot) of the sales numbers depend on the bowl location relative to the school, but there are a few surprises and a few myths being busted. As always, some of the schools (dare I name one) will claim that their ticket sales are only a small fraction of the fans they bring to the game.

    NC State 17,500 Charlotte
    Florida St 16,000 Orlando
    Virginia 13,500 Atlanta
    Wake 10,000 Shreveport
    UNC 10,000 Nashville
    Va Tech 9,500 New Orleans
    Clemson 7,000 Miami
    Ga Tech 2,000 El Paso

    By the way, we've sold almost as many tickets as Auburn, who's at 14,000. Also, it appears that the ACC (meaning the other schools) will be providing major subsidies for Va Tech and Clemson again.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by CyberHoo on 12/14/2011 at 6:49 PM

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  • That "one" is also buying phantom tickets....so it's a wash......biggrin

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  • if you want to break some numbers down a little farther, ncsu and fsu are both playing bowl games in the own states. neither of the fan bases will have to travel that far or worry about making hotel/travel arrangements. NC state has thousands of alums/fans within 30 minutes of BOA stadium.

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  • Not to stick my nose to much in here, but regarding the ACC proving Major subsides for VT and Clemson, you do realize the ACC is making a supreme a*s load for VT and Clemson being in BCS Games, which also filters down to UVA, correct??? VT and Clemson will have a ton of fans down in Miami and New Orleans, aided by the fact you could get ACCCG tickets for $20 dollars 2 hours before game time in Charlotte. It's 2011, almost 2012, we live in a world of twitter, people aren't going to blindly spend $120 for tickets in a crappy section, if you can get tickets for >$50 down by the field.

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    Not to stick my nose to much in here, but regarding the ACC proving Major subsides for VT and Clemson, you do realize the ACC is making a supreme a*s load for VT and Clemson being in BCS Games, which also filters down to UVA, correct??? VT and Clemson will have a ton of fans down in Miami and New Orleans, aided by the fact you could get ACCCG tickets for $20 dollars 2 hours before game time in Charlotte. It's 2011, almost 2012, we live in a world of twitter, people aren't going to blindly spend $120 for tickets in a crappy section, if you can get tickets for >$50 down by the field.

    Suck my what???

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  • nicklbvt said...

    Not to stick my nose to much in here, but regarding the ACC proving Major subsides for VT and Clemson, you do realize the ACC is making a supreme a*s load for VT and Clemson being in BCS Games, which also filters down to UVA, correct??? VT and Clemson will have a ton of fans down in Miami and New Orleans, aided by the fact you could get ACCCG tickets for $20 dollars 2 hours before game time in Charlotte. It's 2011, almost 2012, we live in a world of twitter, people aren't going to blindly spend $120 for tickets in a crappy section, if you can get tickets for >$50 down by the field.

    "Along with a 40-12 drubbing from Stanford, Virginia Tech's athletic department reported a $421,046 loss. The cost to play in the Orange Bowl, largely based on terms set by the Bowl Championship Series, outstripped the amount of bowl money the team received.
    Virginia Tech, which receives millions of dollars in public funding like many other college sports programs, would have lost even more money had the Atlantic Coast Conference not spent nearly $1.2 million to help. The team, required to buy a block of tickets as a condition of being in the bowl, was unable to resell all of them before game time; the school's conference bought out 9,500 remaining seats."

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2011-09-28/bcs-bowl-games-cost-some-schools/50582512/1

    So, what you are saying is that the $6 million that VPI brings for going to the Sugar Bowl will be diluted down about $1 million (going off of last years left over tickets) to $5 million and split 12 ways after the ACC office cut, so it's what, about $400,000 extra for each school? That looks like a supreme ass load of money there. While the first BCS game brings $18 million, the second bowl doesn't nearly bring the same dough.

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    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by hoosincharlotte on 12/14/2011 at 9:06 PM

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  • I have no idea if the payout is 6 million for a second BCS team, but you do realize if VT didn't have that second spot they would have taken UVA's spot in the CFA bowl and the ACC would be out of 6 million dollars. I'm not sure what billion dollar empire you work for at the moment, but (assuming your figures are correct) $6,000,000.00 - $1,125,000.00 (17000-9500 = 7500 x $150) = $4,875,000.00. If you don't think the ACC as a whole is ecstatic about the extra $4,875,000.00 (remember, your numbers) then I need to get into whatever business it is you are in (assuming you last name isn't Escobar).

    nicklbvt

  • This is a good thread. Allow me to contribute a few more notes & stats:

    - Tech sold about 8,000 tickets to the 2011 Orange Bowl and also lost $1.7 million on unused Orange Bowl tickets in 2010. So this year's Sugar Bowl troubles are no surprise for the Hokies; this is a pattern.

    - Pitt only sold 2,500 tickets to the 2011 BBVA Compass Bowl in Birmingham, AL. Kentucky sold about 4,500. You can write that off as a crappy bowl game between two 6-6 teams, I suppose. But the 2011 Fiesta Bowl had similar troubles. As of mid-December, 2010 Oklahoma had only sold about 8,000 tickets and UCONN only sold 4,000. Both schools were given 17,500 tickets to sell and UCONN wound up eating about $2.5 million.

    - Before you dismiss NC State's great ticket sales for Charlotte, keep in mind that they also sold about 10,000 tickets for the 2010 Champs Sports Bowl in Orlando. The Wolfpack travels quite well.

    - Nebraska, which has a great travel reputation, sold less than 10,000 tickets to the 2010 Holiday Bowl in San Diego. Bowl officials openly speculated that most fans bought from third party ticket services.

    - Iowa sold less than 6,000 tickets to the 2010 Insight Bowl in Tempe, AZ, while 30,000 Iowa fans bought tickets to the Orange Bowl a year earlier.

    - The January 1, 2010 Gator Bowl sold out (77,474 tickets) in less than 2 hours for Florida State vs. West Virginia. Normally that game has less than 50,000 in attendance.

    - The Naval Academy has an amazing bowl attendance reputation. Navy sold 25,000 tickets to the 2003 Houston Bowl, 18,000 tickets to the 2002 Emerald Bowl, and 20,000+ to the 2005 Poinsettia Bowl.

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  • Just found an excellent article on bowl game attendance.

    No letdown: Shaky economy not hurting bowl attendance - USATODAY.com

    Amid a difficult economy and persistent criticism from supporters of a national championship playoff, college football's bowl games keep rolling along at the box office.

    www.usatoday.com
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  • Hogan1950 said...

    Suck my what???

    Made me laugh.

    JoeHoo

  • nicklbvt said...

    I have no idea if the payout is 6 million for a second BCS team, but you do realize if VT didn't have that second spot they would have taken UVA's spot in the CFA bowl and the ACC would be out of 6 million dollars. I'm not sure what billion dollar empire you work for at the moment, but (assuming your figures are correct) $6,000,000.00 - $1,125,000.00 (17000-9500 = 7500 x $150) = $4,875,000.00. If you don't think the ACC as a whole is ecstatic about the extra $4,875,000.00 (remember, your numbers) then I need to get into whatever business it is you are in (assuming you last name isn't Escobar).

    You need to take the teams expenses out of that cut before you divide it up to the league. That doesn't leave all that much.

    As for Atlanta or Nashville, I would have been happy with either so there's really no need to thank anyone at VT............ever.

    JoeHoo

  • Location does seem to be a major factor. Maybe the ACC should have arrangements with closer bowls, say drop the Sun Bowl and pick up the Gator Bowl. That would at least help one more school bring fans.

    CyberHoo

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  • Thought I'd add another link on how economic impact on the community certainly does affect bowl committees' decisions.

    Music City Bowl Announces Economic Impact Numbers - Clemson Football News - TigerNet.com

    http://www.tigernet.com/view/story.do?id=8424

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  • CyberHoo said...

    Location does seem to be a major factor. Maybe the ACC should have arrangements with closer bowls, say drop the Sun Bowl and pick up the Gator Bowl. That would at least help one more school bring fans.

    The Gator specifically dropped the ACC last year, so I doubt they would take us back with open arms.

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